Time frame?

John Engelsted commented on EN130, code KH-F.

Jimmy Abbotts pilot sitting on ac

Time frame is February to October 1943 because of the aircraft – EN130 KH-F.

So this picture would have been taken during the same time period.

pilots - group of 4

And the pilots would have been flying with Jimmy right?

We can search for names using the ORBs on Air Force Association of Canada. Website.

And the picture looks to have been taken during the summer of 1943 by looking at the foliage and before he was shot down.

Thursday, 29 July, 1943

It was very warm, bright and clear today with very few clouds.  12 Group Ramrod 22: The Wing went to Cotishall for this operation and took-off from there, led by W/C Johnson.  The role of the Wing was top cover to Marauders.  Rendezvous was made South of Southwold at 12,000 feet with the bombers who turned back when they were within 20 miles of Ijmuiden.  Our Wing continued on to the target before crossing out at the coast over Zandvoort at 22,000 feet.  Soon after crossing the coast, enemy aircraft were seen below and sections of 421 Squadron were detailed to attack while 403 Squadron remained as top cover.  In the following engagement, W/C Johnson fired on one, which is claimed as damaged, and P/O Linton of 421 fired on one, which he saw crash SW of the Schipol aerodrome and is claimed as destroyed.  About the same time, F/L Fowlow with 421 Squadron destroyed a ME 109, which was seen to crash SW of Amsterdam.  Sgt Dixon of 421 attacked the other ME 109 of the pair that were flying together and claimed this one as damaged.  421 Squadron later got one more 109 that was claimed as destroyed and was seen to crash.  P/O J.E. Abbotts and F/L Goldberg, both of 403 Squadron were flying with 421 Squadron and were bounced southwest of Amsterdam.  P/O Abbotts was last seen in this area and is posted as missing.  No one saw him being attacked.  403 Squadron gave cover throughout the entire engagement and were not engaged themselves.  There was moderate light and heavy flak encountered in the Amsterdam -Schipol and Noordwijerhout area.  The Wing crossed the coast on the way out in the Noordwijerhout area at various heights and times, pancaking at Cotishall at about 1115 hours.  The Wing took-off by 1115 hours and the Sections were as follows:

Blue Section    Red Section    Yellow Section
F/L Dover    S/L Godefroy    F/O Ogilvie
F/O Preston    P/O Gray    F/L Southwood
F/O Lambert    F/O Middlemiss    F/O Dowding
F/O Foster    F/O Brannagan    F/O Browne

P/O J.E. Abbotts and F/L Goldberg flew as White 3 and 4 with 421 Squadron.  Red 2, P/O Gray, returned from the sweep and landed at Kenley, his a/c being u/s.

Flight Lieutenant Ron Forsyth – Redux

About Ron Forsyth…

Somewhere in Holland in 1944.

¨Mo¨Morrison,G.Nadon Ron Forsythe Holland 44

Colin sent me this message a while back about his grandfather who was still living.

Ron is still with us. Colin told me in a message when I sent him this picture. So what is so interesting about this pilot and his grandson.

He had some very interesting information to send along and share with my readers.

This is what he wrote in 2012.

Hi Pierre,

I’m sending you a couple of pictures and some scans of papers that my grandfather has been keeping.  

There is a photo taken of him in September 1944, just after my father was born in Cambridge.  

There is a scan of a group photo from the Neil Dove collection that was published in a magazine in the 1970s.  It’s more formal looking than the ones you had posted on your blog.

My Grandfather had a book that he lent to someone, but lost track of.  The one thing he has from that book is a photo copy about the history of the 403 and all the planes with serial numbers.  

There is a list of all the types of planes he flew.

I’ll send these in a couple of emails so it doesn’t get too big.

I printed out a number of the stories for him to read.  He really enjoyed them and added some other details that were not included.  
He said that the reason that Tegerdine crashed onto the roof of the building was due to them using a new type of fuel that blew out the engines.  He told me about one time when he was loaded up with 250 lb bombs under the wing, the electrical system wasn’t working properly so he had to pull a cable to release them.  Unbeknownst to him, one of the 250 lb bombs was still loosely attached to his wing.  As the electrical system wasn’t working, no one could inform him on the radio.  He came in for a landing as usual and the bomb fell, skidded and bounced along the ground for a ways when his wheels touched the ground.  Fortunately it was a dud.  He said the people in the control tower were quite concerned…  


Colin sent this picture on November 10, 2012.

Photo of Ron Forsyth on a new plane. A replacement after his previous one was shot up.

Now this is how this blog works… Simple

Post 454

I post stories and pictures and you react to them.


You don’t have to read all that I wrote on this blog.

You just have to be related somehow to someone who had been related to RCAF 403 Squadron during WWII. Use the search button on the right, top right.

Simple! Maybe I wrote something about someone you knew like Ron Forsyth

¨Mo¨Morrison,G.Nadon Ron Forsythe Holland 44

Or this pilot who flew “Belle”

KH-J - Unidentified pilot

Collection Georges Nadon via the Nadon family

Final word about Jimmy

Last comment made by Dean Black

And, here is the correspondence that followed the original letter

The Secretary,
Department of National Defense for Air,
Lisgar Building,
Ottawa, Ontario
Attn: Air Historian

Museum Material – J.17204, P/O J.E. Abbotts

1.    Enclosed herewith is a letter received at this Headquarters through HQ B.A.F.O. and the R.C.A.F. Staff Officer, Fighter Command, from Albert Philipps of 29 Ambachstraat, Hillegom, Holland.

2.    The pilot was J.17204, P/O J.E. Abbotts, now repatriated, who was missing from 403 Squadron in Spitfire aircraft BS.509 on the 29th July, 1943, although on that particular mission, 12 Group Ramrod 22 to Amsterdam, he flew with No. 421 Squadron.

3.    Steps are being taken to secure this propeller from Mr. Philipps for onward transmission to you and to make enquiries regarding the tie pin to which he refers.

(W.R. Thompson) W/C
for A.O.C.-in-C, R.C.A.F. Overseas.

814-3RD Ave., W.,
Owen Sound Ont
Sept 21,1945

Dear Sir,

Concerning the letter that I received from Hillegom, Holland in connection with my crash landing.

I would like very much to have it; I was very lucky to come out of it alive, and must have put on quite a show that day.  I don’t remember much about it so if I may have the letter, I would appreciate it very much.

Yours truly,

J.E. Abbotts

Copy    YOUR FILE S24-5-7 (AH)                    814-3RD Ave., W.,
Owen Sound Ont
May 20, 1946

W/C Hitchins F.H.
RCAF Station
Rockcliffe Ont

Dear Sir:

I received the piece of my Spitfire propeller.  Thank you very much!  You also asked me to tell you about that day, July 29/43.

My Squadron was 403 but I was flying No. 3 with 421 Sqn (short of pilots).  After checking the Forts out North of Amsterdam, we were sweeping up and down at 30,000 feet.

I spotted 2 – ME 109s below.  Winco ‘Johnny’ Johnson told me to keep an eye on them; finally he said ‘Go after them’.  I rolled out of the formation and was just coming up nicely through the odd puff of flak when something hit me; lots of oil and smoke.  I fired anyway but was out of range.

I started towards the North Sea but the engine quit, and a 109 was rolling over above to attack – I spun away to about 4,000 or 5,000 feet and decided to bale out.  I rolled over and came out but hit the fuselage and was knocked out.  When I regained consciousness, the shoulder strap of my parachute was around the aerial mast.  I was hanging on the right hand side of the a/c, the a/c was right side up, wings level and in a nice glide.  I held on with one hand and tired to tear the chute out, but I was getting too close to the ground.  I decided that it was all over.  And thought ‘I’ve had it’.  I passed out.  I woke up 3 hours later save in the arms of – Germans.

Several letters from Dutch people tell me that the a/c just missed a house, belly-landed, jumped a ditch, went through a hedge and started to burn while I was still hanging on.  They cut me free.

That’s the story Sir if you can make it out.  An English-speaking German said ‘One in a million’.  I guess that he was right.

Yours truly,

J.E. Abbotts

More about Jimmy Abbotts

More from Dean

This is a letter we had on file at 403 Squadron, after the war. This is about Abbotts, and how his plane came down. You will get a sense of what happened, after reading the letter. I still have the tie pin (Indian sword) mentioned in this letter. I made a mistake in my earlier post, about a piece of the propellor – it was actually the tie pin which I was presented, when I commanded 403 Squadron from 2000 to 2002.

Dean Black

Hillegom,                                June 24, 1945

Dear Sir:

    Herewith I let you know that I would be very pleased to come into conversation with a Canadian pilot who landed on one of our Bulbfields in Hillegom, Holland on the 29th of July, 1943.

    It happened in the morning on a beautiful day, probably during an air raid on the aerodrome of Schipol by a couple of RAF twin engined bombers escorted by fighter planes (Spitfires).  The weather was beautiful, but the sky was dampy (fog) so we could not clearly count the bombers and the fighters we just only could hear.

    Suddenly however a plane came down circling around with its engine heavy smoking.  We noticed at once when it came out of the damp that it was a British fighter.  The lower it came the more scared we got because we didn’t know where it should come down, because of its circling around.  You should have seen the workers in the fields, they were also running a circle.  When the plane came lower we saw the pilot was hanging besides the plane near the tail.  His parachute was hooked on the little radio mast, behind the aviator’s seat.  He was a lucky fellow, because the plane came on the ground all by itself with not too much speed, after flying over the roof of a little house with it missing it by a few inches.  The aviator was dirty and black from sand and mud, and injured not severely.  I asked what he was, and he said a ‘Canadian’.  Then I had to shut my dirty mouth, so as the German soldiers said to me, which showed up by that time.  I stole the plane’s propeller (it was a wooden one) and probably the aviator, which is now of course out of prison camp might like to have it as a souvenir of that plane which did his duty so wonderful to save his life by landing so beautifully all by itself.  The plane’s number was KH-H49. BS 509 Spitfire.

    Please be so kind and let me have the pilot’s name and address or you might tell him about this letter so we could come into connection with each other, and he can have the propeller if he wants it as a remembrance.  Another man found a beautiful tie pin near the plane, which might be from the pilot.  It has the form of an Indian Sword (Klewang).  The man still got it, and don’t know if he likes to keep it.  I think he will, but it is the property of that aviator probably, and it might be a very worthing remembrance tie pin which he would like to have back (from his mother, father, or girl or wife).

    I hope you will do all you can to find out the aviator’s name, so we can come in touch with each other.

Thanking you for taking notice of this letter.

Very truly yours,

                    (Albert Philipps)
                    Ambachstraat, 29, Hillegan, Holland

Forgive my poor English writing.  Hope you understand it.

                                File: S.47-20-403(DAS)

                                20 Lincoln’s Inn Fields,
                                   London, W.C. 2

                                27 August, 1945

Who’s looking for Jimmy? – Update 2

The original will follow this other comment made by Dean.

I have a copy of the newspaper article, but it has been many years since I looked at it. However, I seem to recall it was a single vehicle accident and alcohol was a factor. I also want to emphasize, Herman van Amsterdam said he is writing a book, and he wants to explore what he describes as…”an emergency landing…”. If you want to write a book, as an historian you cannot describe this as an emergency landing! Abbotts bailed out. He departed the aircraft. He took to his parachute. If you insist on calling this an emergency landing you had better state God was at the controls. This aircraft was trimmed in a certain way, that when presented with the flight balance resulting from Abbotts’  unconscious body, tangled with the parachute draped over the antennae, the aircraft itself entered a very flat spin, in a circular descent, losing about five feet  of altitude for every full circle the diameter of which probably measured five to eight aircraft wing-spans. The touchdown was upright, and Abbotts was uninjured. Witnesses on the ground watched the whole thing, and they could not believe the pilot was still attached to the aircraft and survived.


Dean Black has commented on this post about Jimmy…

I contacted the Abbott family about ten years ago. The amazing story about Jimmy Abbotts is that he survived the crash-landing of his Spitfire. Few readers might appreciate from the brief description above, but Abbotts tried to bail out of his Spitfire, but his parachute got tangled up in the aircraft antenna and cockpit riggings. Miraculously, even though Abbotts was unconscious the aircraft entered a balanced and very shallow spin – no one was at the controls and Abbotts unconscious body was hanging out one side. As the aircraft spun in an ever-decreasing diameter turn it narrowly missed the top of a barn, by inches, before “landing” ever so softly in the field beyond. Everyone on the ground witnessed this “crash”, and upon reaching the aircraft Abbotts only just began to wake up. When I spoke to the family in 2003-2004 I learned that Jimmy Abbotts died in a drunk-driving accident in the 1950s. The family sent me a chunk of Abbotts propellor – something he had held onto for many years.

I will share pictures of Abbott with Pierre.

Original post

This researcher is.

I am working on a book about WW2 and still searching for additional information on Spitfire-pilot Jimmy Abbotts (403 Sqn). At the end of July 1943 he became a prisoner of war after an emergency landing in the village of Hillegom in the western part of Holland. After the war he returned to his hometown Owen Sound. I love to get in contact also with his family. Anybody any suggestions?

Herman van Amsterdam

Any ideas?

Robert Charles Medforth 403


Newspaper article dated 1944

Niagara Falls NY Gazette 1944 Feb-Apr Grayscale – 0237